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++These drop down style arguments are done using the expandable macro. Simply edit the page and type /expandable (it will open a selection box)
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  {{expandable summary="We will all become one uniform Mixed Race"}}
--# Myth 1: "We will all blend into one race of mixed-race individuals."
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  Claim: Over time, humanity will homogenize into one race of mixed-race individuals due to globalization and intermixing.
  Rebuttal:
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  Historical evidence shows that distinct ethnic groups have maintained separate identities for millennia despite some intermixing.
  High birth rates among certain populations mean some ethnic groups will likely persist as dominant demographics in specific regions.
  Explanation: The idea that humanity will blend into one homogenous race oversimplifies the reality of demographic trends. Different populations have maintained their distinct identities for centuries, even under conditions of migration and intermixing. For example, despite centuries of migration into Europe, distinct ethnicities like the Basques or Sami people still exist. Additionally, demographic trends show that fertility rates vary significantly across groups, meaning some populations grow faster than others. For instance, many African and Middle Eastern countries have much higher birth rates than Europe or East Asia, making a global "blending" implausible. Societies naturally form cultural and ethnic distinctions, even when migration occurs
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++[[See also: White Genocide for statistics on this>>doc:Main Categories.Race.White Genocide.WebHome]]
  {{/expandable}}
--{{expandable summary="Race doesn't exist"}}
--**Claim**: "White as a racial classification doesn't exist"
++{{expandable summary="There is no discrimination against White people"}}
++**Claim:** DEI is necessary to address historical inequities and does not disadvantage white men.
--**Rebuttal**: White is just short for of European Descent, it doesnt mean skin color
++**Rebuttal:**
++* DEI initiatives often include hiring quotas or preferences that explicitly exclude white men, creating new forms of systemic bias.
++* Surveys and anecdotal evidence show that many companies deprioritize white male candidates to meet diversity metrics.
++* Addressing historical inequities doesn’t justify creating new disparities, particularly when these policies fail to account for merit.
++
++**Explanation:** This defense of DEI initiatives ignores the tangible harm they cause to individuals. I point to real-world examples where DEI policies lead to explicit discrimination. Companies like Coca-Cola have implemented training programs encouraging employees to "be less white," and countless hiring managers admit they deprioritize white male candidates to meet diversity quotas. These policies often overlook merit and qualifications, instead prioritizing characteristics like race or gender. While addressing historical inequities seems a noble goal, creating new inequalities that disadvantage people today doesn’t solve past injustices—it only shifts the harm to a new group.
++{{/expandable}}
++
++{{expandable summary="IQ disparities across groups are entirely due to environment"}}
++**Claim:** Differences in IQ between groups are solely the result of environmental factors, dismissing any genetic contribution.
++
  ## Relevant Studies##
--* [[Self Identification of race is over 99% effective|attach:GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConfoundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf]] [Study](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1196372/)
++* [[Rushton2005>>attach:Main Categories.Science & Research.Research at a Glance.Studies\: IQ.WebHome@rushton2005 OCR.pdf]]
--**Explanation**:
++**Rebuttal:**
--Who is white?
++* While environmental factors (e.g., nutrition, education) influence IQ, genetic factors also play a significant role in group differences.
++* The Flynn Effect demonstrates rising IQs over time due to environmental improvements, but it does not negate underlying genetic differences.
++* Studies consistently show both genetic and environmental contributions to IQ, and ignoring one oversimplifies the issue.
--What constitutes a White person?
++**Explanation:** While environmental factors such as better nutrition and education do affect IQ, they don’t fully explain group differences. For instance, the Flynn Effect shows that average IQs have risen globally due to environmental improvements, but group differences remain consistent. Genetics play a significant role alongside the environment. Studies on twins, for example, demonstrate that IQ is highly heritable. Ignoring this fact in favor of a purely environmental explanation is intellectually dishonest. It’s not about dismissing environmental factors but about acknowledging the complex interplay of genetics and environment in shaping intelligence.
--"White" is synonymous with indigenous European. Race is not nationality. Race is genetic.
++
++{{/expandable}}
--Arabs are not White. Persians are not White. Turkic are not White. Jews are not White. Huns/Mongolians are not White. Berbers are not White (but possible were before the invasion of the Arabs). Because these are the closest groups to us genetically, it is possible to be White and have a minority of these genetics. But race mixing is discouraged due to the harmful effects on the offspring and society.
++{{expandable summary="Culture is what matters not race"}}
++**Claim**: Shared ancestry among Europeans is irrelevant to their cultural unity.
--We use "White" because it is common usage. Indigenous European is a much better term, which you should adopt.
++**Rebuttal**:
--But aren’t there no clear biological boundaries between races or ethnicities?
++* Shared ancestry provides a foundation for common values, language development, and traditions.
++* Historical cooperation among European groups shows the importance of shared ancestry in forming alliances and cultural bonds.
++* Genetic studies reveal that Europeans share significant ancestry, reinforcing their cultural cohesion.
--This is known as the continuum fallacy.
++**Explanation**:
--Like many others things in nature, there are no exact boundaries to this concept. Visit a sandy beach, and tell us where the ocean ends and land begins. View a photo of the Andromeda Galaxy, and point to where the galaxy ends, and intergalactic space begins. Where does the color red begin and when does it change to orange? All such boundaries must be arbitrary at some point.
++Shared ancestry isn’t just a biological fact but a cultural cornerstone. For instance, European nations have historically formed alliances based on shared ethnic and cultural identities. Language families like the Indo-European group stem from this common ancestry, creating linguistic and cultural links across nations. Ignoring this connection overlooks a key factor in how civilizations form cohesive identities over time. Shared ancestry provides the framework upon which shared values and traditions are built, making it integral to cultural unity.
++{{/expandable}}
--You devolve into utter nihilism if you try to argue we should not have taxonomy because of this arbitrariness. The human mind works, at a core level, with groupings. Being against categorization based on arbitrariness or social constructionism is to say you think we should not have almost any groupings, including rock formations. There would be few exceptions. Perhaps prime numbers.
++ {{expandable summary="You just hate people who don't look like you."}}
++
++**Claim:** Advocacy for Whites is rooted in hatred toward other races.
--Calling someone "white" or "black" is figurative language. Arguing that people aren't actually "white" like paper is like arguing that people cannot really have "smooth" skin, or could not possible have a "heart of gold," as gold is a metal and can't pump blood.
++**Rebuttal:**
++* If hatred were the goal, it would involve destroying other races, not defending one’s own.
++* It is White people being targeted with demographic flooding, not others.
++* Preservation of one’s group is not equivalent to hate for others.
--If you look white and identify as white, you are white. If you possess so much non white admixture as to feel the need to mention it, you probably aren't white. And if you tell us you aren't white we will believe you. People who self identify as any racial group have been shown to belong to that racial group over 99% of the time.
++**Explanation:**
++Saying “you just hate people who don’t look like you” is a strawman. White advocates are not asking for the destruction of others, but for the right of their own group to survive. True hatred would look like conquest or erasure of others. The reality is that anti-White policies are creating conditions that erase Whites, and pointing that out is survival, not hate.
  {{/expandable}}
--{{expandable summary="There is no discrimination against White people"}}
--**Claim:** DEI is necessary to address historical inequities and does not disadvantage white men.
++{{expandable summary="We don’t demand that the whole world be white."}}
++**Claim:** Whites demand that everyone assimilate into whiteness.
  **Rebuttal:**
++* Whites are not demanding the elimination of other peoples.
++* It is anti-Whites who demand that every White nation becomes non-White.
++* The double standard exposes who is really forcing assimilation.
--* DEI initiatives often include hiring quotas or preferences that explicitly exclude white men, creating new forms of systemic bias.
--* Surveys and anecdotal evidence show that many companies deprioritize white male candidates to meet diversity metrics.
--* Addressing historical inequities doesn’t justify creating new disparities, particularly when these policies fail to account for merit.
++**Explanation:**
++White advocacy is about preservation, not conquest. Anti-Whites constantly invert the accusation, pretending that Whites want the whole world to be White, when in reality Whites only ask for the right to maintain their own homelands and identity. The demand for a non-White world is entirely one-sided.
++{{/expandable}}
--**Explanation:** This defense of DEI initiatives ignores the tangible harm they cause to individuals. I point to real-world examples where DEI policies lead to explicit discrimination. Companies like Coca-Cola have implemented training programs encouraging employees to "be less white," and countless hiring managers admit they deprioritize white male candidates to meet diversity quotas. These policies often overlook merit and qualifications, instead prioritizing characteristics like race or gender. While addressing historical inequities seems a noble goal, creating new inequalities that disadvantage people today doesn’t solve past injustices—it only shifts the harm to a new group.
++{{expandable summary="No one's forcing assimilation."}}
++**Claim:** Intermixing happens voluntarily, not by force.
++
++**Rebuttal:**
++* White communities are denied the freedom to remain White-only.
++* Legal, cultural, and economic pressure enforces forced integration.
++* UN law defines genocide as including coerced conditions of destruction.
++
++**Explanation:**
++The argument that “no one’s forcing” ignores the reality: every White nation is pressured through laws, policies, and propaganda to accept mass immigration and assimilation. Under UN Resolution 260, deliberately creating conditions that erase a people is genocide, regardless of whether it involves direct violence.
  {{/expandable}}
--{{expandable summary="IQ disparities across groups are entirely due to environment"}}
--**Claim:** Differences in IQ between groups are solely the result of environmental factors, dismissing any genetic contribution.
++{{expandable summary="Have more babies."}}
++**Claim:** Whites can solve the problem of replacement by reproducing more.
--## Relevant Studies##
++**Rebuttal:**
++* Telling one group to “breed or die” while enforcing policies that erase them is genocidal.
++* Declining fertility does not justify importing tens of millions of non-Whites.
++* The argument itself admits that genocidal conditions are in place.
--* [[Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability|attach:Main.Studies.Rushton-Jensen30years\.pdf@Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf]]
--[[Study PDF|attach:Main.Studies.Rushton-Jensen30years\.pdf@Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf]]
++**Explanation:**
++Birth rates fluctuate throughout history, but no other people is told their fertility justifies their eradication. Whites are uniquely targeted with policies that replace them under the excuse of “low birth rates.” This reveals genocidal intent.
++{{/expandable}}
++{{expandable summary="America is a nation of immigrants."}}
++**Claim:** America is uniquely a “nation of immigrants,” so mass migration today is natural.
++
  **Rebuttal:**
++* Every nation has ancestors who came from elsewhere. That does not erase national identity.
++* Immigration is not unique to America and does not justify replacement of the founding stock.
++* The phrase is used selectively to push anti-White policies.
--* While environmental factors (e.g., nutrition, education) influence IQ, genetic factors also play a significant role in group differences.
--* The Flynn Effect demonstrates rising IQs over time due to environmental improvements, but it does not negate underlying genetic differences.
--* Studies consistently show both genetic and environmental contributions to IQ, and ignoring one oversimplifies the issue.
++**Explanation:**
++Saying America is a “nation of immigrants” is rhetorical sleight of hand. It ignores that every people originated somewhere. What matters is who founded and built the country. Immigration today is not the same as nation-building, and it does not justify White genocide.
++{{/expandable}}
--**Explanation:** While environmental factors such as better nutrition and education do affect IQ, they don’t fully explain group differences. For instance, the Flynn Effect shows that average IQs have risen globally due to environmental improvements, but group differences remain consistent. Genetics play a significant role alongside the environment. Studies on twins, for example, demonstrate that IQ is highly heritable. Ignoring this fact in favor of a purely environmental explanation is intellectually dishonest. It’s not about dismissing environmental factors but about acknowledging the complex interplay of genetics and environment in shaping intelligence.- Study
++{{expandable summary="Stop trying to divide us."}}
++**Claim:** Talking about race is what creates division.
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++**Rebuttal:**
++* Multiracial societies are inherently divided along racial lines.
++* Those who flood White countries with mass immigration are responsible for division.
++* The more diversity, the more racial politics dominates.
--# Myth 5: "We’re all equally 'centered' on the map."
++**Explanation:**
++Blaming Whites for “division” reverses cause and effect. Division arises because diversity is imposed on Whites against their will. Every multiracial society demonstrates that racial conflict is inevitable when groups with competing interests are forced together.
++{{/expandable}}
--**Claim:** Maps are arbitrary, with no true center, and that concepts like "the West" are socially constructed.
++{{expandable summary="Identity politics is the problem."}}
++**Claim:** Political conflict comes from identity politics, not immigration.
  **Rebuttal:**
++* All politics in multiracial countries becomes identity politics.
++* Non-Whites are loyal to their groups; only Whites are told not to be.
++* Diversity is what drives identity politics.
--* Maps are tools reflecting cultural and historical perspectives. While arbitrary in design, they reflect real-world geopolitical and historical contexts.
--* Western civilization, as a concept, emerged from shared historical, cultural, and geographic ties among European nations, not purely from arbitrary map placement.
--* The idea of a "center" in geography often reflects dominance in culture or power rather than physical location.
++**Explanation:**
++It is dishonest to blame identity politics itself, while ignoring the cause: forced diversity. When you mix peoples with different interests, politics becomes tribal. Whites are singled out as the only group forbidden to defend themselves while everyone else is encouraged to practice group loyalty.
++{{/expandable}}
--**Explanation:** While maps are technically arbitrary in their design, they reflect historical realities. I pointed out that the concept of "the West" isn’t about physical geography but shared cultural, historical, and ethnic ties among European nations. For instance, Europe appears at the center of many maps because European empires dominated global politics and trade for centuries. The geographic "center" reflects historical dominance, not an inherent truth. This is why maps vary based on cultural perspective—what’s arbitrary in design is grounded in historical reality.
++{{expandable summary="Hate speech is not free speech."}}
++**Claim:** Restricting “hate speech” protects society.
++
++**Rebuttal:**
++* Every tyranny justifies censorship by labeling dissent as dangerous.
++* The current anti-White system censors truth under the guise of “hate.”
++* Free speech protections were meant for unpopular opinions, not state-approved ones.
++
++**Explanation:**
++Calling speech “hate” is a tool of repression. It is not about safety, but about silencing opposition to anti-White policies. Censorship is always framed as moral, but its effect is to protect the reigning power and punish dissent.
  {{/expandable}}
--{{expandable summary="Culture is what matters not race"}}
--**Claim**: Shared ancestry among Europeans is irrelevant to their cultural unity.
++{{expandable summary="One brown person down the street isn't genocide."}}
++**Claim:** Genocide is exaggerated because a single non-White doesn’t constitute a threat.
--**Rebuttal**:
++**Rebuttal:**
++* No one argues that one person equals genocide.
++* The issue is mass immigration plus forced assimilation in every White country.
++* Strawman arguments are used to distract from the real claim.
--* Shared ancestry provides a foundation for common values, language development, and traditions.
--* Historical cooperation among European groups shows the importance of shared ancestry in forming alliances and cultural bonds.
--* Genetic studies reveal that Europeans share significant ancestry, reinforcing their cultural cohesion.
++**Explanation:**
++Anti-Whites misrepresent the position deliberately. The argument is not about individuals but about demographic replacement through policy. Under international law, coordinated replacement policies meet the definition of genocide. Pretending it’s about “one person” is dishonest deflection.
++{{/expandable}}
--**Explanation**:
++{{expandable summary="Genocide means killing. Whites aren't being killed."}}
++**Claim:** Genocide only applies to physical mass killings.
--Shared ancestry isn’t just a biological fact but a cultural cornerstone. For instance, European nations have historically formed alliances based on shared ethnic and cultural identities. Language families like the Indo-European group stem from this common ancestry, creating linguistic and cultural links across nations. Ignoring this connection overlooks a key factor in how civilizations form cohesive identities over time. Shared ancestry provides the framework upon which shared values and traditions are built, making it integral to cultural unity.
++**Rebuttal:**
++* UN law defines genocide to include deliberate conditions of destruction, not just killing.
++* Forced assimilation and mass immigration fall under this definition.
++* Historical precedent (Raphael Lemkin’s definition) explicitly included non-lethal methods.
++
++**Explanation:**
++Genocide is not limited to killing. UN Resolution 260 and Lemkin’s own words include sterilization, displacement, and policies designed to erase a group’s identity and existence. Anti-White policies meet this definition precisely.
  {{/expandable}}
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